Thursday, September 25, 2003, 12:29 GMT
Re: "<<Of course Malfoy's accent is Southern English because we're all evil down there.>> lol, what about the Archers? Those folks are simple, honest and harmless!"
The Archers is set in the fictional Midlands village of Ambridge, which is supposed to be just outside of Birmingham. This is why you can occasionally hear the odd Brummie character (usually in a stereotypical 'thick' Brummie role).
Re: "<<Upper-class, marked or advanced RP (such as that spoken by the aristocracy) is difficult for most of us Brits to understand, and middle-class unmarked RP is difficult for those of us who are not used to hearing it. >> I kind of disagree with that - anyone who watches TV (most people) would understand Standard English (from the news, dramas, comedies...). No one can not understand, for example, the Queen's Speech. (As a side note I heard Prince Harry talking yesterday and he sounds "regular", ie. lower middle class."
I think you are confusing the Standard English dialect with the RP (Received Pronunciation) accent. Thay are not the same thing. In any case, I have heard many RP accents (both marked and unmarked) which I find indecipherable, and I watch a lot of telly. The thing I find with most RP-accented speakers too is that they spend so much time concentrating on HOW (accent) they are saying something that they forget to concentrate on WHAT (content) they are saying. The trouble too is that RP is overtly prestigious, and people assume because of this that whatever an RP speaker has to say must be important because they sound educated. The problem here, of course, is that educatedness is not synonymous with intelligence. Some of the most highly educated people I have ever met (all RP speakers, by the way), have also been the most stupid.
Re: "<<The range of accents reprtesented in Harry Potter is also very narrow indeed when compared to the actual range spoken within the British Isles.>> Yeah of course, it's not a 15 hour film!!..."
It would not require a 15 hour film to show that there are many more accents in the UK than RP and a few token regional varieties (recent estimates put the total number of RP speakers in the UK at around 15%). As it stands, it is not in the least representative.
Re: "<<...And then I am not surprised that the three main characters all sound like their native accents are posh. >> I disagree.. they sound well-spoken, but not to an over-the-top level like the man in the Pimms advert, Hewitt, or David Sewell.
'Well-spoken' is a highly evaluative and non-linguistic term which implies that all other accents are inferior, vulgar or improper in some way. They are not. RP only has the overt prestige which it does at present because of its association with centres of power, wealth and education. (By the way, I think you mean Brian Sewell, the art critic, not David Sewell).
Re: "On the Irish accents, the stereotypes I can perceive in the media are... southern (like Terry Wogan): soft, intelligent, rural, relaxing, etc. Northern: urban, harsh, speedier... What do you think?"
Yes, I agree. I think people prefer southern Irish accents because of the association between the northern Irish accent and 'the troubles'. Whenever an English person hears a strong northern Irish accent it immediately conjures up negative images of Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley, but there is nothing inherently inferior about any northern Irish accent.
Re: "Ah, here's one last thing I can't stand: when people try to do Arabic accents; just don't bother! It's normally just some generic Asian thing that has nothing to do with real Arabic sounds."
I think this statement applies equally well to any and all varieties. I dislike Sean Connery because he can't be bothered to learn any other accent, but maybe he's right. Every time I hear a posh RP-accented RADA graduate attempting any accent - whether it be Arabic, Brummie, Northern Irish, etc., it makes me cringe with embarrassment because they're usually so bad. Are there no Brummie or Northern Irish actors out there, for pity's sake!
The Archers is set in the fictional Midlands village of Ambridge, which is supposed to be just outside of Birmingham. This is why you can occasionally hear the odd Brummie character (usually in a stereotypical 'thick' Brummie role).
Re: "<<Upper-class, marked or advanced RP (such as that spoken by the aristocracy) is difficult for most of us Brits to understand, and middle-class unmarked RP is difficult for those of us who are not used to hearing it. >> I kind of disagree with that - anyone who watches TV (most people) would understand Standard English (from the news, dramas, comedies...). No one can not understand, for example, the Queen's Speech. (As a side note I heard Prince Harry talking yesterday and he sounds "regular", ie. lower middle class."
I think you are confusing the Standard English dialect with the RP (Received Pronunciation) accent. Thay are not the same thing. In any case, I have heard many RP accents (both marked and unmarked) which I find indecipherable, and I watch a lot of telly. The thing I find with most RP-accented speakers too is that they spend so much time concentrating on HOW (accent) they are saying something that they forget to concentrate on WHAT (content) they are saying. The trouble too is that RP is overtly prestigious, and people assume because of this that whatever an RP speaker has to say must be important because they sound educated. The problem here, of course, is that educatedness is not synonymous with intelligence. Some of the most highly educated people I have ever met (all RP speakers, by the way), have also been the most stupid.
Re: "<<The range of accents reprtesented in Harry Potter is also very narrow indeed when compared to the actual range spoken within the British Isles.>> Yeah of course, it's not a 15 hour film!!..."
It would not require a 15 hour film to show that there are many more accents in the UK than RP and a few token regional varieties (recent estimates put the total number of RP speakers in the UK at around 15%). As it stands, it is not in the least representative.
Re: "<<...And then I am not surprised that the three main characters all sound like their native accents are posh. >> I disagree.. they sound well-spoken, but not to an over-the-top level like the man in the Pimms advert, Hewitt, or David Sewell.
'Well-spoken' is a highly evaluative and non-linguistic term which implies that all other accents are inferior, vulgar or improper in some way. They are not. RP only has the overt prestige which it does at present because of its association with centres of power, wealth and education. (By the way, I think you mean Brian Sewell, the art critic, not David Sewell).
Re: "On the Irish accents, the stereotypes I can perceive in the media are... southern (like Terry Wogan): soft, intelligent, rural, relaxing, etc. Northern: urban, harsh, speedier... What do you think?"
Yes, I agree. I think people prefer southern Irish accents because of the association between the northern Irish accent and 'the troubles'. Whenever an English person hears a strong northern Irish accent it immediately conjures up negative images of Gerry Adams and Ian Paisley, but there is nothing inherently inferior about any northern Irish accent.
Re: "Ah, here's one last thing I can't stand: when people try to do Arabic accents; just don't bother! It's normally just some generic Asian thing that has nothing to do with real Arabic sounds."
I think this statement applies equally well to any and all varieties. I dislike Sean Connery because he can't be bothered to learn any other accent, but maybe he's right. Every time I hear a posh RP-accented RADA graduate attempting any accent - whether it be Arabic, Brummie, Northern Irish, etc., it makes me cringe with embarrassment because they're usually so bad. Are there no Brummie or Northern Irish actors out there, for pity's sake!