Wednesday, April 21, 2004, 00:40 GMT
John writes "I used 'e' after 'a' for the magic 'e' in 'wae' for 'weigh'." I thought it was Joe who was suggesting "wae". Are Joe and John one and the same? If so, why then would Joe retort "John, what are you talking about." There may be some underlying explanation but enough of that for the moment.
The magic "e" they write about. Now everyone who has passed primary school would realise that there has to be a consonant letter between the vowel letter which is being magicked and the magic "e" which is magicking it. The digraph "ae" is by no means an instance of the magic "e" except in the context of certain reform proposals which extend the rule. Such an extension, however, has no place in proposals which claim to stick to tradition.
If you're tinkering with spelling you should be sticking to tradition as much as possible. If you're going to break with tradition then be clear about the fact that what you're suggesting is a sweeping reform proposal. Here's what I mean by "tinkering".
http://b16.ezboard.com/feuropa2frm40.showMessage?topicID=10.topic
CUPBOARD
"cupboard" - "cubburd" verses "cubberd" verses "cubord"
Joe reads "cubord" as [kju:bo:rd]. Does he read "wizard" as [waiza:rd]?
I believe that careful examination of English orthography would show that the letter "o" doesn't generally act as a magic "e".
It should also show that the second syllable of a two syllable word tends to be unstressed. Thus whether it's "ar", "er", "ir", "or" or "ur" it should tend to be pronounced [..(r)].
So why choose "or" over any of the others? It's a question of etymology. I say that there is more to spelling than just representing the phonemes of speech. "Cupboard" is "cup" plus "board", "cubord" preserves more of this especially if you're respelling "board" as "bord".
That said, I'd agree that "cubberd" is better than "cubburd". I think that "er" is better suited to repesenting [..(r)] than "ur" is.
I think "cubord" is better. Why use "ur" when it's not [e:(r)]? You don't need a double "b": you don't have a double "z" in wizard.
I'm not quite sure what a [kju:bo:rd] is. ''Cubberd'' would probably work better. Both ''cubberd'' and ''cubbord'' work but ''cubord'' looks like [kju:bo:rd].
AGAIN
again - agen
"That looks like it should be pronounced [eij..n]. 'aggen' works better." Joe has a point. Let's go with "aggen".
"E"S NOT NEEDED
owe-oe
eye-ie
Both of these work fine as I've written and Joe's reason to choose these over "o" and "i" (avoiding homographs) is fair enough. Thanks, Joe, for clarifying this. But he asks "... but you don't like the idea of spelling 'you' as 'u'. Is spelling 'owe' and 'eye' as 'o' and 'i' any different." Yes, I think that it's very different. If I see "o" and "i" alone I think [Ou] and [ai] but if I see "u" I think [u:] not [ju:]
MAM
ma'am-mam
Fair enough "mam" isn't too bad.
MORE WORDS ON JOE'S LIST THAT I'M IN DOUBT ABOUT
rigatoni-riggatonee
garage-gurrahj
new-noo
species-speeshies
iguana-igwaana
phonetic-fanetic
receipt-reseat
Nevada-Nevaada
Chicago-Shicaago
Tomato-tomayto
potato-potayto
Colorado-Coloraado
pecan-pecaan
route-rout
twenty-twunty
sign-sine
drawer-dror
encore-oncor
ignore-ignor
whore-hor
As to why, that'll have to wait: I've got to go.
The magic "e" they write about. Now everyone who has passed primary school would realise that there has to be a consonant letter between the vowel letter which is being magicked and the magic "e" which is magicking it. The digraph "ae" is by no means an instance of the magic "e" except in the context of certain reform proposals which extend the rule. Such an extension, however, has no place in proposals which claim to stick to tradition.
If you're tinkering with spelling you should be sticking to tradition as much as possible. If you're going to break with tradition then be clear about the fact that what you're suggesting is a sweeping reform proposal. Here's what I mean by "tinkering".
http://b16.ezboard.com/feuropa2frm40.showMessage?topicID=10.topic
CUPBOARD
"cupboard" - "cubburd" verses "cubberd" verses "cubord"
Joe reads "cubord" as [kju:bo:rd]. Does he read "wizard" as [waiza:rd]?
I believe that careful examination of English orthography would show that the letter "o" doesn't generally act as a magic "e".
It should also show that the second syllable of a two syllable word tends to be unstressed. Thus whether it's "ar", "er", "ir", "or" or "ur" it should tend to be pronounced [..(r)].
So why choose "or" over any of the others? It's a question of etymology. I say that there is more to spelling than just representing the phonemes of speech. "Cupboard" is "cup" plus "board", "cubord" preserves more of this especially if you're respelling "board" as "bord".
That said, I'd agree that "cubberd" is better than "cubburd". I think that "er" is better suited to repesenting [..(r)] than "ur" is.
I think "cubord" is better. Why use "ur" when it's not [e:(r)]? You don't need a double "b": you don't have a double "z" in wizard.
I'm not quite sure what a [kju:bo:rd] is. ''Cubberd'' would probably work better. Both ''cubberd'' and ''cubbord'' work but ''cubord'' looks like [kju:bo:rd].
AGAIN
again - agen
"That looks like it should be pronounced [eij..n]. 'aggen' works better." Joe has a point. Let's go with "aggen".
"E"S NOT NEEDED
owe-oe
eye-ie
Both of these work fine as I've written and Joe's reason to choose these over "o" and "i" (avoiding homographs) is fair enough. Thanks, Joe, for clarifying this. But he asks "... but you don't like the idea of spelling 'you' as 'u'. Is spelling 'owe' and 'eye' as 'o' and 'i' any different." Yes, I think that it's very different. If I see "o" and "i" alone I think [Ou] and [ai] but if I see "u" I think [u:] not [ju:]
MAM
ma'am-mam
Fair enough "mam" isn't too bad.
MORE WORDS ON JOE'S LIST THAT I'M IN DOUBT ABOUT
rigatoni-riggatonee
garage-gurrahj
new-noo
species-speeshies
iguana-igwaana
phonetic-fanetic
receipt-reseat
Nevada-Nevaada
Chicago-Shicaago
Tomato-tomayto
potato-potayto
Colorado-Coloraado
pecan-pecaan
route-rout
twenty-twunty
sign-sine
drawer-dror
encore-oncor
ignore-ignor
whore-hor
As to why, that'll have to wait: I've got to go.