Mexicans, get over it. You lost the war, and your terriritory. That's how the game works. English is the language that unites America, we don't want the linguistic problems that Europe (specifically places like Belgium and Spain) and Canada have.
California vuelve a ser mexicana, gracias al vodka
Who cares if they will peacefully reconquer not only those territories but the whole US:
Por primera vez los apellidos García y Rodríguez han pasado a formar parte de la lista de los diez apellidos más comunes en EE UU, según un informe (PDF inglés) publicado por la Oficina del Censo de Estados Unidos (inglés).
Los datos que se muestran se basan en el censo del año 2000 en el que participaron alrededor de 270 millones de estadounidenses.
Los más comunes
El apellido García se encuentra en la octava posición y Rodríguez en la novena, lo que indica que la población hispana está creciendo cada vez más en la superpotencia norteamericana. Además, en el estudio se indica que hay otros cinco apellidos hispanos que se encuentran entre los 30 más numerosos: Martínez, Hernández, López, González y Pérez.
Los apellidos más comunes en EE UU son Smith (1), Johnson (2), Williams (3), Brown (4), Jones (5), Miller (6), Davis (7), García (8), Rodríguez (9) y Wilson (10).
Por primera vez los apellidos García y Rodríguez han pasado a formar parte de la lista de los diez apellidos más comunes en EE UU, según un informe (PDF inglés) publicado por la Oficina del Censo de Estados Unidos (inglés).
Los datos que se muestran se basan en el censo del año 2000 en el que participaron alrededor de 270 millones de estadounidenses.
Los más comunes
El apellido García se encuentra en la octava posición y Rodríguez en la novena, lo que indica que la población hispana está creciendo cada vez más en la superpotencia norteamericana. Además, en el estudio se indica que hay otros cinco apellidos hispanos que se encuentran entre los 30 más numerosos: Martínez, Hernández, López, González y Pérez.
Los apellidos más comunes en EE UU son Smith (1), Johnson (2), Williams (3), Brown (4), Jones (5), Miller (6), Davis (7), García (8), Rodríguez (9) y Wilson (10).
No, no, no, you don't get it. We bring in the the Hernandezes and Garcias to play baseball. But once baseball season is over, we send them all back to Mexico.
Seriously though, the Hispanics that come to the United States that are successful are the ones that assimilate and learn English. The ones that do not do so have no political or economic power and end up in the menial jobs. It doesn't really matter how many of them are here.
Seriously though, the Hispanics that come to the United States that are successful are the ones that assimilate and learn English. The ones that do not do so have no political or economic power and end up in the menial jobs. It doesn't really matter how many of them are here.
No, no, no, you don't get it. We bring in the the Hernandezes and Garcias to play baseball. But once baseball season is over, we send them all back to Mexico.
You'd better accept the new reality it of US. The Hispanics are there to stay and soon the most common surnames will be Garcia or Rodriguez, more than any other non Spanish surnames. If in just 50 years they are the 8 and 9 more common surnames, then imagine what will happen in other 50 years.
You'd better accept the new reality it of US. The Hispanics are there to stay and soon the most common surnames will be Garcia or Rodriguez, more than any other non Spanish surnames. If in just 50 years they are the 8 and 9 more common surnames, then imagine what will happen in other 50 years.
">Mexicans, get over it. You lost the war, and your terriritory. That's how the game works. English is the language that unites America, we don't want the linguistic problems that Europe (specifically places like Belgium and Spain) and Canada have.<"
I would rather much have a linguistic issue, then a racial issue. English is the lingua franca here due to its global omnipotence, however, not the official language of the U.S.A. Mexicans lost their territory, yes. But in the manner they lost it was un-American or unconstitutional. Even Thomas Jefferson - agreed to the Lousiana purchase - would have likely refused the conquest of N. Mexico mostly for its political reasons; not for its potential benefits.
I would rather much have a linguistic issue, then a racial issue. English is the lingua franca here due to its global omnipotence, however, not the official language of the U.S.A. Mexicans lost their territory, yes. But in the manner they lost it was un-American or unconstitutional. Even Thomas Jefferson - agreed to the Lousiana purchase - would have likely refused the conquest of N. Mexico mostly for its political reasons; not for its potential benefits.
<< English is the lingua franca here due to its global omnipotence, however, not the official language of the U.S.A. >>
Domie, olvidas un hecho muy importante:
What you forget is that the US was founded by English speakers and that people here have been assimilating to English ever since its beginning, and before the US was a global power. English is the lingua franca in the US because it has been accepted as such by it own people.
On a side note, over half of the states have adopted English as the official language. Also, some people might not know this, but Spanish is not the official language of Mexico. But it is the lingua franca in the same way and for the same basic reasons as English is in the US.
The global omnipotence of English only serves to reassure that English will remain the lingua franca of the US, but it is not the core reason for it being so.
Sin embargo, respeto al espanol y incluso me gusta.
Domie, olvidas un hecho muy importante:
What you forget is that the US was founded by English speakers and that people here have been assimilating to English ever since its beginning, and before the US was a global power. English is the lingua franca in the US because it has been accepted as such by it own people.
On a side note, over half of the states have adopted English as the official language. Also, some people might not know this, but Spanish is not the official language of Mexico. But it is the lingua franca in the same way and for the same basic reasons as English is in the US.
The global omnipotence of English only serves to reassure that English will remain the lingua franca of the US, but it is not the core reason for it being so.
Sin embargo, respeto al espanol y incluso me gusta.
What would happen if Spanish became the lingua franca of US? Is English intrinsically related to a system of values and ethics or Spanish could be the lingua franca of US without changing dramatically the mentality of the US population?
mac got it right... The US has a long history of English speakers and less than fifty years of Spanish speakers moving in in any kind of substantial numbers. Folks from Western and Eastern Europe, as well as Africa, the Middle East, and Asia, tend to assimilate. Those from South America, Central America, and Mexico also tend to assimilate, it just happens after a generation because there is no immediate necessity for it. This has not changed and probably won't; there are very few young people in the US who are unable to speak English fluently.
mac got it right... The US has a long history of English speakers and less than fifty years of Spanish speakers moving in in any kind of substantial numbers.
Not really. Spanis was always spoken in US.
Not really. Spanis was always spoken in US.
English is just more spoken than Spanish (by now...) but Spanish has a well attested presence in US which is older than that of English. Spanish was the predominant language in states like New Mexico until the XX century. Hence Spanis is not only a language of inmigrants, it is also part of the History of US since the begining.
If you're talking about the current United States, perhaps... However if you look at it from a temporal perspective (English in the 18th century US, English in the early 19th century US) English has always outnumbered Spanish. The number of settlers during the middle and late 19th century overwhelmed the sparsely populated Spanish-descended settlers.
">What you forget is that the US was founded by English speakers and that people here have been assimilating to English ever since its beginning, and before the US was a global power. English is the lingua franca in the US because it has been accepted as such by it own people.<"
Quite frankly the U.S. saw English as the only language to be use as an intermediary tongue between other neighboring cultures; as Britain's might reigned or contested more or less better then the French. But, Spanish and French were once spoken by the Natives too. It is just that as the U.S. went Westward it took them out decisively therefore those languages lost touch as trade with those languages faltered. Nonetheless remnants of Spanish and French are still found in remote areas because of this.
It was not until the early 19th century that immigrants other then British settlers came in staggering numbers to the U.S. to populate lands that the U.S. had either brought, stolen or taken from other people. African slaves by this time did constitute a large number in the U.S., however, servitude made them assimilate quickly & unwillingly to obey and comprehend their masters.
">The global omnipotence of English only serves to reassure that English will remain the lingua franca of the US, but it is not the core reason for it being so.<"
Even though this assessment is debatable, without a doubt there is truth in what you say.
Quite frankly the U.S. saw English as the only language to be use as an intermediary tongue between other neighboring cultures; as Britain's might reigned or contested more or less better then the French. But, Spanish and French were once spoken by the Natives too. It is just that as the U.S. went Westward it took them out decisively therefore those languages lost touch as trade with those languages faltered. Nonetheless remnants of Spanish and French are still found in remote areas because of this.
It was not until the early 19th century that immigrants other then British settlers came in staggering numbers to the U.S. to populate lands that the U.S. had either brought, stolen or taken from other people. African slaves by this time did constitute a large number in the U.S., however, servitude made them assimilate quickly & unwillingly to obey and comprehend their masters.
">The global omnipotence of English only serves to reassure that English will remain the lingua franca of the US, but it is not the core reason for it being so.<"
Even though this assessment is debatable, without a doubt there is truth in what you say.
>>What would happen if Spanish became the lingua franca of US? Is English intrinsically related to a system of values and ethics or Spanish could be the lingua franca of US without changing dramatically the mentality of the US population?<<
It could happen, but it won't. English is so built-in to the American culture that it would take centuries for Spanish to displace. And like someone else said above, second generation Latin American immigrants usually become fluent in English and Spanish, and the third generation is usually English-speaking only. I have a friend whose grandmother is from Mexico and he knows a few Spanish words, but not much more. If you spoke to him you would have no idea that he was Hispanic--his English is perfect.
It could happen, but it won't. English is so built-in to the American culture that it would take centuries for Spanish to displace. And like someone else said above, second generation Latin American immigrants usually become fluent in English and Spanish, and the third generation is usually English-speaking only. I have a friend whose grandmother is from Mexico and he knows a few Spanish words, but not much more. If you spoke to him you would have no idea that he was Hispanic--his English is perfect.
>>I would rather much have a linguistic issue, then a racial issue. English is the lingua franca here due to its global omnipotence, however, not the official language of the U.S.A. Mexicans lost their territory, yes. But in the manner they lost it was un-American or unconstitutional. Even Thomas Jefferson - agreed to the Lousiana purchase - would have likely refused the conquest of N. Mexico mostly for its political reasons; not for its potential benefits.<<
Well, we're going to have both issues if we're not careful. And the racial issues stem from the linguistic issues to some extent. Most Americans look down upon Hispanics who come here and make no effort to learn English. They're singled out because of this and it can become a race issue. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Americans want English to be the official language of the United States. English is already the official language of several border states with large Hispanic populations, including California, Arizona, and Florida.
Well, we're going to have both issues if we're not careful. And the racial issues stem from the linguistic issues to some extent. Most Americans look down upon Hispanics who come here and make no effort to learn English. They're singled out because of this and it can become a race issue. Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of Americans want English to be the official language of the United States. English is already the official language of several border states with large Hispanic populations, including California, Arizona, and Florida.