Eur.Spanish, Eur.Portuguese, Lat.Spanish, Bra.Portuguese?

Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 1:32 pm GMT
Learn Galician. That will make you able to understand Spanish and Portuguese.
Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:30 pm GMT
<<I honestly think that Portuguese is more internationally important than Spanish, in the world stage.

Think about it, Spanish is only spoken in Europe and Latin America.

Equatorial Guinea in Africa is a joke.
Philippines in Asia is extinct - Arroyo hasn't done anything about it yet.


On the other hand, Portuguese is spoken in:

Europe (Portugal and Galicia in Spain)

Latin America (Brazil alone has 51% of the continental popuation of South America, versus 9 other Hispanic countries combined)

Africa (5 countries) - not extinct, but very much alive.

Asia (East Timor + Macau) - not extinct, but very much alive.


Vivo Lusofonia

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lusofonia>>

Is ¡Viva a Lusofonia!

Your're not Portuguese, you're not brazilian, you're the same fanatic anti-spanish that are full of hate, all of us know that this kind of post are your favorite.... don't you think is better live without your fear?
hispanic   Fri Aug 29, 2008 3:56 pm GMT
Portuguese is more important than French:

portuguese: 200 millions of speakers

French: 79 millions of speakers.
Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:13 pm GMT
<<In USA, for instance, people study Mexican Spanish (in some schools European Spanish too). Colombian Spanish has also an important status. It is considered the best Latin American Spanish by a lot of people. So, in USA, almost all people study Mexican Spanish. French and German are less studied. But Portuguese is not studied in USA.
>>

You're overcomplicating things. Theres no such thing as "mexican spanish", or "colombian spanish"; they are identical.

There aren't enough differences to necessitate different courses for "european" and ''latin american" spanish , and in most schools you learn both latin american, and european conventions (which usually means just means learning "vosotros" verb forms).
Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:28 pm GMT
<<I'm italian and I also speak Brazilian Portuguese.
Italian grammar is more difficult, actually.>>

How so?

I think portuguese has the richest system of verbs, of any romance language making it a bit more difficult - especially in the use of the subjunctive mood which spans ALL tenses.
Mario Bros.   Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:35 pm GMT
portuguese, spanish and french are dialects of Italian.
Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:53 pm GMT
Italian is the language of maffia and other crimminals.
Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:08 pm GMT
"Italian is the language of maffia and other crimminals."

"Mafia" not "maffia", spanish ignorant.
Alessandro   Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:12 pm GMT
"Italian is the language of maffia and other crimminals."

Not corret. Language of mafia (Cosa Nostra) is Sicilian.
Guest   Fri Aug 29, 2008 7:23 pm GMT
What about Napolitan and Calabresse?
Guest   Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:51 am GMT
Lat. Spanish is the best.
Guest   Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:20 am GMT
-I think portuguese has the richest system of verbs, of any romance language making it a bit more difficult - especially in the use of the subjunctive mood which spans ALL tenses.-

But unlike in Italian or Spanish, most subjunctive forms can be replaced by personal infinitive, which is similar to the English -ing forms.

Eu ir = my/me going
Você ir = your/you going
Ele ir = his/him going
A gente ir = our/us going
Vocês irem = your/you going (pl)
Eles irem =their /them going

It's also preferred in english ''for someone to do something'' constructions:

Está na hora da gente ir embora = It's time for us to go away.
Eu vou ficar aqui até você chegar. = I'll stay here until you come.

In Spanish, with many prepositions (like hasta) you must use subjunctive, in Portuguse more elegant and shorter form like personal infinitive is preferred.
Morticia   Sat Aug 30, 2008 8:28 am GMT
That does not make it elegant, just creolized like English.
Francophone   Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:42 am GMT
Portuguese is more important than Spanish:

portuguese: 35 millions secondary and foreign speakers

Spanish: 20 millions "secondary" and "foreign" speakers.
Guest   Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:16 am GMT
El francés es un buen idioma para tipos sentimentales, a los que les gusta hundirse en la nostalgia.