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Catalonia - Catalunya
Men there have little dicks (as opposed to the females there) they are filfty lying assholed and all sons of whores.
That's what I know about Catalonia.
Truth
You badly need professional help. This is not the forum for the treatment you require.
Poor guy
Isn't Catalan some odd dialect of Spanish?
We had some good imformants on this site about Catalan. One of them, Jordi, I think still posts periodically.
Basically, the Catalan language is almost exactly midway between Spanish (or Castillian) and French. e.g.
"The reeds on the field"
Catalan "Els joncs sobre el camp"
Spanish "Los juncos sobre el campo",
French "Les joncs sur le champ"
It also has a few links to the northern Italian dialects too because Catalonia had strong trade relations with Genoa in the Middle Ages.
Some linguists prefer to classify Catalan in a "Northern" Romance group along with French, Rhaeto-Romantsch, Friulian, Provençal and Occitan (a variety of Provençal) and Portuguese, Spanish, Sardinaian, Italian and Dalmatian in a "Southern" Romance group. Romanian is too close to call for either group.
Catalonia is a restless province in Spain which always seems to be in a state of revolt. It was rebellious even in Roman times with a big revolt there in the 2nd century A.D. There were also major revolts there in the 1690's and the 1930's. The Spanish have had much the same problems with the Catalonians that the English have had with the Scotch and the Welsh. In 1978, David Wallichinsky listed Catalonia in his "Peoples's Almanac" as one of the the ten most likely subject nations in the world to secede along with Scotland, Quebec, Ukraine and Tibet.
Occitan (a variety of Provençal)?
certainement pas
Guest : « L'occitan (une variété de provençal) ? Certainement pas ».
Je ne saisis pas si tu contestes le lien de parenté entre catalan et langues d'Oc ou bien l'inclusion de l'occitan dans la famille des langues d'Oc.
Peux-tu éclairer ma lanterne, stp ?
Désolé Guest, j'avais pas lu le message de Brennus.
Brennus : l'occitan n'est pas une variété de provençal. Tous deux sont des éléments distincts de la grande famille des langues d'Oc et il est absurde de vouloir les séparer — cad de les placer dans des familles linguistiques distinctes.
Ni le catalan ni les langues d'Oc (dont l'occitan, le provençal, le gascon, le languedocien etc) ne font partie de la Romanie européenne septentrionale. La Romanie européenne septentrionale comprend les langues d'Oïl (dont le français, le wallon, l'angevin, les normands, le picard, le gallo, le berrichon etc), l'arpitan (les langues francoprovençales — qui ne sont pas un "mélange" de français et de provençal) et les langues rhéto-romanes.
Vois cette carte : http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/francophonie/images/romania-mapa.gif .
Dans la Romanie européenne centrale, tu retrouves : toutes les langues d'Oc (y compris la koinè moderne appelée "occitan"), le catalan et les langues gallo-italiennes du Nord-Ouest de l'Italie (Lombard, Piedmontais etc).
D'autres liens utiles à consulter :
http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/europe/images/france-cart-oil-oc.jpg
http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/europe/images/france-occitan-mapa.gif
http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/europe/images/france-langues.gif
http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/europe/images/Franska_dialekter.gif
Romanie européenne sud-occidentale : portugais, castillan etc.
Romanie européenne sud-orientale : toscan , corse, sarde , italien etc.
Romanie européenne orientale : roumain, moldave, méglénoroumain etc.
Je ne sais pas si le catalan est le milieu "exact" entre le castillan et le français. Faudrait demander à ceux qui parlent castillan. Ce qui est sûr c'est que le catalan est à l'origine une langue d'Oc qui par la suite a pris des tours plus "ibériques" (mais comme le gascon à certains égards). Et il vrai que les langues d'Oc et d'Oïl ont certains traits en commun bien qu'appartenant à deux groupes séparés. Mais il vaut mieux demander leur avis aux Catalans et à ceux qui parlent une langue d'Oc. Ils ont une bien meilleure perception du phénomène de parenté que toi ou moi.
ERRATUM
Brennus : l'occitan n'est pas une variété de provençal. Tous deux sont des éléments distincts de la grande famille des langues d'Oc. Et il est absurde de vouloir séparer le catalan des langues d'Oc (y compris l'occitan) — cad de les placer dans des familles linguistiques distinctes.
If you are interested in the catalan language take a look at:
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=cat
Just for your info: Central Catalan has 87% lexical similarity with Italian, 85% with Portuguese and Spanish, 76% with Rheto-Romance, 75% with Sardinian, 73% with Rumanian.
For more info just click the link above
Josep Lluis Carod Rovira, president of the Catalan separatist nazi party Republican Left of Catalonia (ERC), warned the Zapatero administration yesterday that if the proposed Catalan regional statute of autonomy fails in the Congress of Deputies, the administration will lose its current support from ERC and the Catalan Communists (IC), and neither moderate Catalanists CiU nor Basque nationalists PNV will substitute for them. According to Carod, "It would be a miracle if, in the middle of a daily offensive, the statute is passed." He said, "The atmosphere of indignation and the instability in Catalonia if the statute fails would leave no other way out but calling early elections. which will sink the Tripartite. It is difficult to imagine that ERC would continue as a partner of the party that has caused these attacks on Catalonia, that IC would not do the same thing, and that CiU would not try to substitute for either, helping an administration so clearly opposed to Catalan interest. The Zapatero administration would have its days numbered and early elections would be inevitable." Carod warned that if the Spanish parliament rejects the Catalan statute, "the spiritual distance between Catalonia and Spain would become an abyss, and the conviction that there is no other way out but independence would grow, even among people who had never before considered that option."
Generalitat of Catalonia tries to limit use of Spanish in schools
PP spokesman Daniel Sirera yesterday accused the Generalitat, Catalonia's regional goverment, of ordering "discrimination" against Spanish and of "trying to treat it as a foreign language." In a missive sent to all schools in Tarragona province, the Generalitat's education department said, "Using Spanish hurts the students' social cohesion," and warned that inspectors would be sent to watch teachers. The missive established "the labor obligation of teaching staff of the Generalitat of Catalonia to do their work in Catalan." It continues, "Catalan must be the language of internal and external use in schools in the oral and written expression of the teachers and in their administrative duties." According to Sirera, "It is intolerable for them to prohibit Spanish not only in class, but also in the conversations of teachers with parents, on school playgrounds, and even in conversations with students who just arrived here." He called the Generalitat's action "normal in non-democratic regimes, where under threat they try to impose their ideas and limit individual freedom."
Corruptonia (Corruption + Catalonia) Is Not Spain… Yet
It is hard to say which is more despicable: La Caixa (bank) buying Catalan politicians by the party full or these politicians shameless refusal to resigne when caught with their hands in La Caixa cookie jar. It is hard to say which is more embarrassing: the privatized Tri-party and its industrial-financial complex Fornesa or the Pujol opposition saying they don’t want to “poke” into this matter because it doesn’t interest the voters. In other words, the opposition is even less motivated to fight corruption than the La Caixa, formerly known as Catalonia, government. And to top it off, the Popular Party’s (PP) Vendrell goes and says the billion euros La Caixa gave Montilla after being named Minister of Industry has nothing to do with his support for the bank’s takeover bid of Endesa. At least Pique corrected him, but in truth the only possible correction would have been to send him off with Duran i Lleida, which is where he really belongs. Don’t worry about the votes or being found out, La Caixa will provide. Or the “anonymous donations” from Unio’s Catholicism: your right hand doesn’t know what your left hand is stealing. Blessed are the money launderers.
When all of Spain financed the 1992 Olympic Games for the greater glory and spending of Barcelona, some sons of Pujol popularized the slogan “Catalonia is not Spain”. Once in a while they bring it out at the FC Barcelona stadium, together with a map of Catalan imperialism. Well, it has gotten to the point where post-Pujol, Tri-party “Catalonia” should be renamed “Corruptonia”. A nation where the bribers want to be bribed and the bribed have no interest in giving up their bribes. There is nothing approaching public morality. ETA-like politics have eaten “Corruptonia” alive. And if it is true “Corruptonia (meaning, the official Catalonia, not the real one) is not Spain”, we should add the word “yet”. Not yet. But gangrene is spreading through it political body. It looks to even be enjoying the process. Corruption remains the key to Spain’s government. At this rate, we are going to have to pick up and move Spain somewhere beyond the reach of La Caixa, the Tri-party and Zapatero. No nation can survive this level of corruption. “Corruptonia” for the corrupt. The rest of Spain will emerge victorious, sooner or later.
ETA’s Communiqué
After winning its internal battle, ETA is now focused on winning the external one. Following Al Qaeda’s attacks in the United States, Spain, Great Britain and many other countries, few things were as roundly repudiated and fought by the international community as terrorism. Countries that in the past had viewed terrorism as someone else’s problem and even considered some groups romantic independence fighters, realized Jihad terrorism was a global threat specifically affecting Western democracies. The terrorists have always looked for international participation, in particular that of the European Union, in negotiations with the Spanish state.
The second message in the terrorist group’s Thursday communiqué was adding the liberation of Catalonia to its objectives.The terrorists have now made this relationship clear.
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