Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 03:40 GMT
Bill,
You're probably right. I never use the word anyway so what would I know.
You're probably right. I never use the word anyway so what would I know.
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Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 03:40 GMT
Bill,
You're probably right. I never use the word anyway so what would I know.
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 22:24 GMT
Some unnecessary spellings.
''taxxeecab'' and ''boxxing''. I don't think doubling ''x'' is necessary. We never do that. Why do we need to start. Why not keep ''boxing'' spelled as it is. Jim, I say taxicab as ''taxi'' + ''cab''. Do you pronounce ''taxi'' as [t@ksi] I pronounce it as [taxi(:)]. I think the English word ''rouille'' is spelled ''rouille''. The dictionary lists two pronunciations, [ru:i(:)] and [ru:j]. I've never used the word but if I did I'd say the pronouncable pronunciation [ru:i(:)]. [ru:j] is probably more correct because the word was borrowed from French and is a French word. island-eyeland Someone suggested this spelling. Doesn't it look odd?
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 22:26 GMT
Quote-''Also I'd say [t@ksik@b] not [t@ksi:k@b].'' You would or you do?
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 22:39 GMT
I know "guy" is pronounced [gai] but the "u" is there to stop the "g" going [dZ]. Jim, The ''u'' in ''guy'' is not there to stop the ''g'' from going [dZ]. ''Buy'' is pronounced [bai]. Why is the ''u'' in ''buy''.
Anyway how about these? buy-bie guy-gie fungi-fungie- ''fungih'' in your accent. gymnasium-jimnaizeum general-jenneral
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 23:15 GMT
''You suggest ''siberspase'' and ''hiperspase'' instead of Joe's "siberspaiss" and "hiperspaiss". Why not? Well, they could be mistaken for [saib..(r)speiz] and [haip..(r)speiz]. Think about the word "laser". Why is it pronounced [leiz..(r)] not [leis..(r)]?''
Well, ''laser'' is just an exception. Most ''ase'' words are pronounced [eis] and not [eiz]. What about these words ''base'', ''case'', ''chase'', and ''vase''. They're pronounced [beis], [keis], [tSeis] and [veis] and not [beiz], [keiz], [tSeiz] and [veiz]. ''phase'' is an exception. It's pronounced [feiz].
Tuesday, April 27, 2004, 23:17 GMT
Is Joe going to respell ''base'', ''case'', ''chase'' and ''vase'' as ''baiss'', ''caiss'', ''chaiss'' and ''vaiss''. I don't see anything wrong with them as they are now.
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 00:41 GMT
TAXI TAXXEE TAKSEE TAXY TACCY
Perhaps I do say [taksi(:)] instead of [taksi] but I certainly don't say [taksi:]. ISLAND EYELAND IGHLAND IELAND ILAND I doubt that the person suggesting "eyeland" could have been serious. You might as well have "ighland" at least then it would fit with "highland". Propably the best idea would be to go back to "iland" as it used to be before some fool threw the "s" in. FUNGI FUNGUY FUNGIE FUNGIH FUNGGY I don't know why there is a "u" in "buy" but "buy" and "guy" are different words. Perhaps they spelt it "buy" so we wouldn't confuse it with "by" but there is no word spelt "gy". If there were a word spelt "gy" the normal way to pronounce it would be [dZai] as in "gyroscope". LASER LAZER LAIZER LAYZER LAEZUR No, Bill, "laser" is not any exception. What "laser" is is a perfect example of a very general rule at work. That very general rule is that an "s" between two vowel letters usually gets voiced to [z]. The origin of the word is "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation" (not "Light Aimplification by Zdimulated Emission of Radiation"). So first we had the spelling "laser" from which the pronunciation [leiz..(r)] derived (via the aforementioned rule). What you've given us (''base'', ''case'', ''chase'' and ''vase'') are exceptions to this rule ... all except "vase" which cannot really count because of the total lack of concensus on how it should be pronounced ([va:z], [veiz] & [veis]). How about "bace", "cace", "chace" and "vaas"?
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 00:49 GMT
How about "bace", "cace", "chace" and "vaas"? I think the original spellings ''base'', ''case'', ''chase'' and ''vase'' are fine. I pronounce ''vase'' as [veis] so ''vaas'' won't work for me. How about these,
base-base case-case chase-chase vase-American-vase Canadian-vaze British-vaaz ''vaas'' is the plural of ''vaa''. Only plurals should end in ''s'' and be pronounce ''z''. Similarly ''news'' should be respelled ''newz'' since it's not a plural. Okay, Jim, Name how many more words have ''ase'' pronounced as [eiz] than they have ''ase'' pronounced as [eis]. How more common is it for ''ase'' to be pronounced [eiz]. I didn't invent the word ''laser''. How would you have pronounced it if you invented it?
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 00:56 GMT
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yirr-yir err-er hot water heater-hotwaaterheater water heater-waaterheater Do you think the person that was suggesting these spellings was being serious? British Santa Claus's Spellings find-fynd vitamin-vittamin depot-deppo thought-thort bought-bort water-warter Tuesday-Choozday Do you think the person that was suggesting these spellings was being serious? Pistol Star-Pistulstar violoncello-violinchello uh-oh-uhoh uh-uh-uhuh uh-huh-uhhuh ''do, re, mi, fa, sol, la, ti, do''.- ''doa, ray, mee, fah, soal, lah, tee, doa''. black hole-blakhole white hole-witehole Do you think the person that was suggesting these spellings was being serious? Others Contretemps-contrataan' Grand prix-graan' pree court-coort four-foor herr-her yirr-yir err-er hot water heater-hotwaaterheater water heater-waaterheater boxing-boxxing smoke detector-smoke dettecter hot water heater-hotwotterheeter ex-friend-eksfrend Kookaburra-Kukaburra Do you think the person that was suggesting these spellings was being serious?
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 00:58 GMT
All of those spellings look messy to me. Don't they look messy to you?
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 01:13 GMT
TAXI TAXXEE TAKSEE TAXY TACCY
''Taccy'' is a funny spelling. It looks like it should be a homonym of ''tacky'' to me.
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 01:23 GMT
Bill,
We can agree on one thing: "the original spellings 'base', 'case', 'chase' and 'vase' are fine." We all pronounce ''vase'' differently. There are so many words like this. This is one of the problems with spelling reform. Perhaps it's the greatest problem. Perhaps it's enough reason to forget the whole idea. I think it's at least enough reason to forget the notion of a phonemic reform. vase American - vace Canadian - vaze British, Irish, Australian, New Zealander, African, etc. - vaaz ''vaas'' is the plural of ''vaa'' as "bus" is the plural of "bu" and "gas" is the plural of "ga". There is no such word as "vaa" nor is there "vaas". Why should only plurals end in ''s'' and be pronounced [z]? No attack: I'm just asking. I mean, you've given us one counter example: ''news''. Why should it be respelt ''newz''? The rule I was talking about is more general than ''ase'' pronounced as [eiz]. Of course I could give you "maser" but this is a bit of a cheat. Nor did I invent the word ''laser'' but if I had, I would have pronounced it as it is. What's more usual than "ase" for [eis] is "ace": this is to avoid the confusion. This brings us back to Joe's suggestion why change "space" to "spaiss" when "space" was fine to begin with?
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 01:30 GMT
TACCY
It is funny. I wasn't being serious with "taccy". Though according to the usual rules it should become [t@ksi(:)] not [t@ki(:)]. Before "y" the letter "c" becomes [s], e.g. "cylinder", "cycle", "cynic", etc. A CORRECTION WHILST I'M AT IT Perhaps I do say [t@ksi(:)] instead of [t@ksi] but I certainly don't say [t@ksi:].
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 01:41 GMT
''s'' should always make the [s] sound while ''z'' should always make the [z] sound with the exception of pluralization because for one thing some ''plurals'' end in the [z] sound while others end in the [s] sound. Imagine writing ''cats and dogz'' or ''kats and dogz'' for ''cats and dogs''. So, ''s'' is fine in plurals regardless of whether it says [s] or [z].
Wednesday, April 28, 2004, 01:44 GMT
Capitalize/ise-cappitalize
Organize/ise-organize exercise-exercize or even ''exersize''. rise-rize wise-wize buys-''bies'' not ''bize'' fries-fries not ''frize'' vase-vase/vaze/vaaz bass-bace base-base |