Do Irish people like to be called Paddies???

Brad:

Not to defend the English here, but how can you say that the Irish have integrated in New York (or anywhere else)? They are incredibly clannish and only hang out with each other, quite like the English. For some reason Americans think that Irish nationalism is cute. And to think that the Scots and Irish are more friendly and welcoming than anybody else is in my opinion having a lend of it. They hate Americans as much or more than the English. Also, you're crazy if you think that Americans are liked overseas. We definitely are not, which is unfair in my opinion, but true nonetheless.

I wonder if you are American or a troll like Adam. There's something that doesn't jive about your choice of words - the overuse of "dude" among them which sounds more surfy than metro NY.

I didnt say I was born in New York but I wish I was! I am not a troll, i am a truthful soul unlike the many idiots that have joined this forum. Oh come on open your eyes and god bless america!

What nationalistic shit there is on this language forum right now. Is the human race really that fractured?

Oi Brad!!

Aggression?? Not one swear word, quite a restrained post considering the racist rubbish spewing from your fingertips. Well I'll give you some aggression now you muggy little c***

<<Pub Lunch, I dont like the agression in your thread, its smellly dude. I think the americans are well liked abroad and we do glorify the Irish.>>

Firstly, Americans are liked abroad?? Are you having a laugh you doughnut?? You really have no idea do you - seldom have I heard such naivety. The sad thing is, I am constantly arguing against the phenomenal anti Americanism that seems so rife EVERYWHERE. Wankers like you just make defending racist anti American remarks much harder. You confirm for what many is the status quo, and that is that Americans are an ignorant, inarticulate people. Why do I say your ignorant, well let me explain, mate.

You said have I seen the film 'The wind that shakes the Barley?? Well yes I have. From watching this film, and having a chat with a couple of Irish lads, suddenly you have formulated this racist view of the English. The really funny thing is, the director of that film, Ken Loach, actually made that film as a metaphor for the US invasion of Iraq. So, what do you feel about your boys (and ours) that are 'over there' doing the repressing and occupying?? (The exact things that make you despise us so). Do you hate your own people for what they are doing?? Because many would say that what they are doing is no different to what the British have done (and you could argue are still doing). No I am sure you don't, God bless America right 'dude'. But if the shoe is on the other foot...

Some of the things the British soldiers (Black & Tans) are depicted doing in the film obviously has riled you. Do you feel the same when seeing the pictures and videos of US troops doing unspeakable things to captured Iraqis?? No I did not think so.

Now in my opinion, war is war and unspeakable evil is perpetrated in the name of it. But unlike you, I will not pick and choose perspectives of war to fit what I want my opinions to be. You clearly take a one-sided view, and that is silly. The English have done bad things?? Yes, but so have the Americans, flipping hell so has virtually every race that has ever lived. But the situation you talk about in the film happened a long time ago (not making it right) but you use things that have happened in the past to colour your judgement of people in the present - not very wise mate. The film is so one-sided, I am not saying much of it is not true, but it does not show the evil committed by the IRA and the like. But they are heroes to you aren’t they. Try saying that to a mate of mine who lost his 13 year old sister in a IRA bomb in the city of London.

Do the rest of the world hold what was done to black people in your own country up until the 1960s (or later) against you and your countrymen?? No, and if they did then they are idiots like you. So why hold something that happened a long time ago (and yes is still not really resolved now) against people that have nothing to do with any of this.

Sadly there seems to be something romantic & glamorous in depicting the Irish and Scots as innocent victims of cruel repressors (always the English - I bet Braveheart got your anti-English feelings going a bit as well)

Back to that film that you know so much about...

The fact is, the director’s views are very anti-establishment and he shows the sectarianism of Irish republicism with the soft focused view of the left. The man's films and opinions are geared towards anti-capitalism. In fact the bloke has been linked with the Fourth International, a communist movement as well as the Marxist newspaper Socialist Resistance.
What I am saying is that in my opinion, the ideals of this film fit the director’s political agenda of using the medium of film as a weapon for the class war. The IRA are the heroes - the victims of class war and the British represent the system, and therefore are the baddies. But let’s not forget the IRA's pro Nazi stance - but they are the good guys.

<<Yes Northern Ireland may be under British rule but not by choice so all the catholic irish who live there are still Irish dude. So get your facts right you ignorant brit.>>

Firstly, you say you like the Scots and the Welsh, so stop using the term Brits and use term 'the English' instead, which is whom you seem to have a problem with (reasons still unknown). Secondly, did you know that in 1921 the Northern Protestants voted to stay British and the majority voted the SAME way in the Good Friday agreement. I have friends who live in Belfast, and fiercely wish to remain British, they do not agree with the IRA'S actions nor their motives. That’s right, many actually WANT to stay British. So who was ignorant again mate??? (I realise there are many that do not wish to remain British as well).

But despite democracy, the director still thinks it was ok for the die-hards to keep on murdering, flying in the face of democracy (hmmnn fascism??). Anyway, my knowledge of history is not my speciality (far from it) And I am sure someone may post on here that knows far more than me and makes me look an idiot. But as long as its not you, you racist pig.

<<The english have not really intergrated in New york. They prefer to stick to themselves and when they speak its like they have a poker up their butt! I wish I could kick their ass and invade their country for a change! >>

You would like to beat us up and invade us because of our accent?? Enough said you ridiculous little Muppet, and this will be my last word to you, wanker.

“Because many would say that what they are doing is no different to what the British have done”

Well yeah. It’s called imperialism.

“Do the rest of the world hold what was done to black people in your own country up until the 1960s (or later) against you and your countrymen??”

Well mostly not but self righteous politically correct neo-puritan yankees sure still hold it against Southerners (even though their ancestors were just as guilty as ours)

“ridiculous little Muppet”? “racist pig”? “muggy little c***”?

That’s why I love the English language so much! In the hands of the right Englishman (or American or Canadian or anyone else that knows how to use it) it never ceases to amaze and entertain!

I’ll say this though. Regardless of what anybody thinks of the English, or the war in Iraq I for one am glad their troops are on our side!

When Americans fight with British, it makes me smile. It is like pot calling kettle black kind of thing. Both USA and Britain had had a history of blood and killings in the past. So there is no big surprize if American and British troops are on the same side in Iraq. But, But, there is a difference.
British people have guts which I dont think so any other nation have. When they see if something is wrong they say it openly. No twisted words. Be it the opinion of British Army General in Iraq or a minister's opinion on the war of Israel against Lebanon. I am not British or Amerian- just feel that I should have shared my thoughts.

>>Firstly, you say you like the Scots and the Welsh, so stop using the term Brits and use term 'the English' instead, which is whom you seem to have a problem with (reasons still unknown). Secondly, did you know that in 1921 the Northern Protestants voted to stay British and the majority voted the SAME way in the Good Friday agreement. I have friends who live in Belfast, and fiercely wish to remain British, they do not agree with the IRA'S actions nor their motives. That’s right, many actually WANT to stay British. So who was ignorant again mate??? (I realise there are many that do not wish to remain British as well).

But despite democracy, the director still thinks it was ok for the die-hards to keep on murdering, flying in the face of democracy (hmmnn fascism??). Anyway, my knowledge of history is not my speciality (far from it) And I am sure someone may post on here that knows far more than me and makes me look an idiot. But as long as its not you, you racist pig.<<

Umm, sorry to point this out, but the only reason for the Unionist majority in Northern Ireland is because the boundaries for Northern Ireland were intentionally set by the British government to produce the largest area with a Unionist majority possible during the division of Ireland into Southern Ireland (which would become the Irish Free State with the Anglo-Irish Treaty) and Northern Ireland during the Irish War of Independence.

Consequently one can view the Unionist majority as having been deliberately engineered via gerrymandering of sorts, so as to maintain British control over as much of Ireland as possible. Had the British not divided Ireland in such a fashion, Unionists would have surely been a small minority in the resulting independent United Ireland.

However, if one takes it from the tack of that individual locales should be able to have the freedom to choose whether to stay as part of the UK or not, then why are there good portions of Northern Ireland with clear Nationalist majorities (especially since there was the possibility to transfer to these areas to the Irish Free State with the Boundary Commission after the Irish War of Independence)?

Another thing that I should point is that while trying to romanticize the IRA as "freedom fighters" and whatnot does definitely distort the reality of the situation of Northern Ireland (even though I do have to admit that my sympathies here are Nationalist), portraying the situation in Northern Ireland as having been a matter of IRA terrorists versus British people who freely want to remain part of the UK is just as much of a distortion.

It ignores just why the Troubles began, with the violence resulting from the civil rights movement (much of which was in the form of attacks upon Catholics by Unionists), which was in reaction to the effective exclusion of Nationalists (and Catholics in general for that matter) from political life in Northern Ireland. it ignores just why the IRA managed to get the popular support it did at that time (as by the early 1960s the IRA was dwindling in power with its failed Border Campaign),with the Provisional IRA coming to be seen as a defender of Catholic communities from attacks by Unionists by many Catholics. It ignores the internments, which in reality targeted very many individuals who were unconnected to the paramilitaries while almost exclusively targeting Nationalists, and which consequently managed to alienate the Nationalist community and to drive many people who were previously moderate Nationalists into the hands of the IRA. It ignores Bloody Sunday, which in many ways ended any hope that remained that the British Army would protect the Catholic community from the Unionists and which cemented the idea that the British Army was siding with the Unionists in the minds of Nationalists. It ignores the Loyalists, who really were no better than the IRA, and who primarily killed Catholic civilans unconnected to any paramilitary groups (unlike what some might think, they actually killed very few members of the IRA). It ignores the collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and British Army units in Northern Ireland (and in particular the Ulster Defence Regiment, which is known to have been involved in killings by the UDA and from which many arms were funnelled to the Loyalists unimpeded, even with the knowledge of the British gov't).

Yes, the IRA killed many civilians in bombings and like. Yes, the IRA was involved in many criminal activities outside any kind of military struggle for unification of the island of Ireland. Yes, the IRA was in many ways sectarian despite there being the occasional Nationalist who happened to be Protestant. But really, the people that were on the other side were no better at all, and the British gov't rather than impartially trying to suppress paramilitary activities on both sides in practice often sided with the Unionists and even sometimes directly aided the Loyalist paramilitaries.

The bottom line is you British will never admit how horrible you guys are!

Yes us americans have made some mistakes but the worst mistakes involved teaming up with you guys.

I dont need to prove any further points about the english as Fate will take care of you. What goes around comes around and i look forward to the day that a hitler like figure comes along and burns you bastards in some ovens. Screw you doungnut brain..at least i have a brain. And the agressive language dude..thats so over my head.

The world outside of england hates you and deep down you know it and it hurts like hell!

Shut the fuck up Brad and go do your homework, you retarded twelve year old.

Brad is an american version of Adam.

Don't judge me you condesending little shit!

Stop the agression people. If I am like adam you must be like the queen!

A wreched old witch

Brad est fou mais je n'aime pas les anglais non plus!

And who is guest anyway..? He sounds like a mongrel! He is proberly english with some welch blood. You silly little dude!

Brad,

My cock demands that you suck him now for your insolence.