German or Italian???

Lou   Friday, September 12, 2003, 13:08 GMT
I can't understand all the bickering and bitterness going on. This is not why Tom created the Forum. Probably most of you are young people. Well, in my experience of young people there has been openness, interest in other people and motivation to learn about them. What's got into all of you who are so critical and aggressive? Do you really have nothing better to do?
Antonio   Friday, September 12, 2003, 13:19 GMT
I am astonished...

Wingy chap, don´t say those things. Don´t say what your teacher told you when you were in school days.
I really haven´t, or rather won´t, take the time to discuss all the nonsense you said.
By the way, still in WWII days, the world spoke french, including British officers, so that is to say, perhaps the brits spoke in french to those "coward French officers exiled in UK".

Mao was a bastard, sorry to say this; but due to the circumstances I must. He was no different from Stalin or Hitler.
It really is too bright to speak marvellous things about Comunism when you live in HK or China´s wealthy coast line. Ask the Russians and they will tell you when they are in hunger, they long for socialism; but when they are inside it, they long to get out of it.

The oriental concept of bravery is: to kill oneself before facing disaster. To us, ocidental citizens, that is called cowardice. That the exact sort of thing Hitler did, but also as overtly noticiable, common practice throughout the past and current history of the other half of the Earth. The one you are in.
The French ran to UK, but at least they didn´t take their lives in face of disaster. Rather, they kept it to fight another day and in the end, they survived, as well as their honour.

Should they had acted like their samurai fellows, what would have happened?
wingyellow   Friday, September 12, 2003, 14:13 GMT
There is a whole misunderstanding.
We Chinese survived too. We stayed and we fought and we won!!!
We had no one to turn to. We had practically no allies. If we gave up our land, we would never recover it. To fight for our land is not suicidal!

"The oriental concept of bravery is: to kill oneself before facing disaster." This is the Japanese way of showing loyalty to their masters, not avoiding the disaster. And we Chinese DO NOT do this. I repeat. We stayed and we fought! We didn't just cut our own throats.

The Chinese Communists may not give me democracy, freedom or wealth, but they give me safety. They are strong enough to make China an almost united country. They are strong enough so that foreign soldiers dare not set feet on our land. And they have their method to feed 13 billion people. They have the gut to reject Bush's request to appreciate the currency. And they have the gut to fight trading war with the Japanese.
A.S.C.M.   Monday, September 15, 2003, 06:44 GMT
After the Japanese conquered the Chinese capital of Nanjing during WWII, the Guomindang forces retreated to Chongqing and bolstered themselves for another clash with the Japanese. So, you see, the Chinese didn't commit mass suicide in their war against the Japanese. They retreated and bolstered themselves but they NEVER surrendered or fled to the Soviet Union or India or some other place.

Wingyellow, I don't think you really appreciate Mao but you have confidence in the current government of the PRC. Isn't that correct?

Other people, you must realise that there is a BIG difference between the policies of Mao Zedong and China's current leaders. Don't associate Mao Zedong and Zhou Enlai with Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao! Though they belong to the same regime, they belong to different eras and different ideologies.
wingyellow   Monday, September 15, 2003, 12:07 GMT
Of course I don't like Mao. But we must accept that he fought the Japanese. My family was destroyed by him. How can I like him?

The Chinese Government, however, is much better nowadays.

I don't like the way people distort history and call the black horse white. We fought and we are called cowards. Someone chickened out and people think they cared about their people. What is the logic behind?
Antonio   Monday, September 15, 2003, 12:17 GMT
so... we are all friends again?
wingyellow   Monday, September 15, 2003, 12:20 GMT
Por supuesto, podemos ser amigos otra vez.
Pero yo no quiero la actitud de alguien.

For those who are curious, it is Spanish.
Alex   Monday, September 15, 2003, 14:52 GMT
Clark   Monday, September 15, 2003, 16:14 GMT
Alors, je me demande qui tu n'aimes pas ?
A.S.C.M.   Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 02:31 GMT trouve que ceux qui se fâchent trop facilement sont désagréable. De tout façon, j'espère que nous pouvons être bien disposé encore.
A.S.C.M.   Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 02:46 GMT
It's true that many things Americans and Europeans consider taboo are acceptable in Asia. In China and Taiwan, racism against the Japanese is still considered "acceptable" by many elements of society and is viewed as a way of paying back the Japanese for the atrocities they committed during WWII. In Hong Kong, people frequently call Indians by derogatory terms. The Cantonese term for a white foreigner can be literally translated into "old ghost".

Also, because Asia is so far away from Germany, a lot of people there don't see anything wrong in doing the "heil Hitler" salute or goosestepping (which is common practice anyway in China and North Korea).

In general, there is much more forbearance towards racism in Asia than in other parts of the world so one must sometimes try to be cool-headed towards Asians who are accustomed to giving vent to their feelings against whole races.
Wingyellow   Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 03:40 GMT
Nazi just starved or put people into gas chamber. But Japanese performed experiment on living people, raped and killed women, burned people alive and tortured people in the most creative way.

Is my opinion about French and the French people racist? I just think that I was telling the truth.
Clark   Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 05:12 GMT
The Nazis did not only murder people, they performed experiments on the women, many of whom were pregnant; they put people in the incinerators(sp) to be burned alive, they were just as bad as the Japanese. Both cases were extremely horrible, and I think that we as humans should look past that because the world has changed for the most part. Opening up old wounds is no way to mend.

Wingyellow, you ask if your feelings about the French are racist? Well, I would say yes. This is because you have said that you do not like the French, but have not given any serious reason [that I am aware of]. Plus, have you met a lot of French people? If so, did you try to speak their language with them? Did you give them half a chance, or did you just write them off because they are French?

Why people do not like the French is because of the French government. Most of the people I have met who have no trouble announcing that they hate the French have never met a French person, but since the French government makes decisions that they themselves would not have made, they hate the French PEOPLE because of that, and not the French government. I find peple like this truly bigoted. How can you hate the French just because their culture and government is different from your own? This is something that I do not understand. It just makes me so angry and so sad when people say they hate the French, not only because their reasonings are usually unjust, but because these people who say this to my face essentially say that they hate me because I love the French language and culture (and as I have said before, I have French ancestry that I am very proud of).

This is directed at anyone, not just wingyellow, who hate the French. And people must realise that if you meet two or thre French people who you do not get on well with, that does not mean the whole of the French people are like the two or three you disagree with.
Clark   Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 05:21 GMT
ASCM, d'ou es-tu ?
wingyellow   Tuesday, September 16, 2003, 05:35 GMT
I think Nazi German are protrayed as relatively good guys in Hong Kong, compared to the Japanese. All I know is that Jews were put into concentration camp to starve to death. I don't know if there is any torture. But I am sure that there was no organized rape, since the German believed that their genes were superior.

A Nazi German actually helped some Chinese in Nanjing. So I think they were not as bad as the Japanese.

I know that Nazi Germany performed experiment on human being, such as:
1. gas chamber,
2. pressure room,
and that's it. I am not sure if Nazi German injected viruses into people, gutting people alive, freeze people's finger and then put them into hot water.