The state of British English

Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:43 pm GMT
I meant to say "Space satellites are designed using IMPERIAL measurements"
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:45 pm GMT
"We continue to drive on the LEFT but the rest of Europe "

The rest of Europe doesn't drive on the right. They drive on the left in Sweden, and outside of Europe, the Australians, New Zealanders and the Japanese also drive on the left.

but again, I don't see how driving on the left constitutes a problem.
Sander   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:46 pm GMT
To measure the above mentioned quantities in the English Imperial system, all the following units can occur:

1Length: inch, foot, yard, mile, fathom, rod, furlong, league, mil, pole, perch, hand, link, chain
2Area: square inch, square foot, square yard, acre, square mile, township, square fathom, square rod, square furlong, square league, square mil, square pole, square perch, square hand, square link, square chain
3Volume: gallon, liquid quart, dry quart, liquid pint, dry pint, fluid ounce, teaspoon, tablespoon, minim, fluid dram, gill, peck, bushel, cubic inch, cubic foot, cubic yard, cubic fathom, cubic rod, cubic furlong, cubic mile, cubic league, cubic mil, cubic pole, cubic perch, cubic hand, cubic link, cubic chain
4Mass: pound, apoth. pound, ounce, apoth. ounce, dram, apoth. dram, grain, spoth. scruple, pennyweight, short hundredweight, long hundredweight, short ton, long ton
5Force: pound, ton
6Pressure: pounds per square inch, pounds per square foot, pounds per square yard, pounds per acre, pounds per square mile, pounds per township, pounds per square fathom, pounds per square rod, pounds per square furlong, pounds per square league, pounds per square mil, pounds per square pole, pounds per square perch, pounds per square hand, pounds per square link, pounds per square chain, tons per square inch, tons per square foot, tons per square yard, tons per acre, tons per square mile, tons per township, tons per square fathom, tons per square rod, tons per square furlong, tons per square league, tons per square mil, tons per square pole, tons per square perch, tons per square hand, tons per square link, tons per square chain
7Energy: calorie, inch-pound, foot-pound, yard-pound, mile-pound, fathom-pound, rod-pound, furlong-pound, league-pound, mil-pound, pole-pound, perch-pound, hand-pound, link-pound, chain-pound, inch-ton, foot-ton, yard-ton, mile-ton, fathom-ton, rod-ton, furlong-ton, league-ton, mil-ton, pole-ton, perch-ton, hand-ton, link-ton, chain-ton
8Power: horsepower, inch-pound per second, foot-pound per second, yard-pound per second, mile-pound per second, fathom-pound per second, rod-pound per second, furlong-pound per second, league-pound per second, mil-pound per second, pole-pound per second, perch-pound per second, hand-pound per second, link-pound per second, chain-pound per second, inch-ton per second, foot-ton per second, yard-ton per second, mile-ton per second, fathom-ton per second, rod-ton per second, furlong-ton per second, league-ton per second, mil-ton per second, pole-ton per second, perch-ton per second, hand-ton per second, link-ton per second, chain-ton per second
9Temperature: degrees Fahrenheit

To measure the same range of the same quantities in the metric system, only the following units can occur:

1Length: meter
2Area: square meter (are)
3Volume: cubic meter (liter)
4Mass: gram (metric ton)
5Force: newton
6Pressure: pascal
7Energy: joule
8Power: watt
9Temperature: kelvin (degrees Celsius)
Sander   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:51 pm GMT
I'm going to post these two articles untill you react on them like you expect us to do with all your NeoFascist copy+paste bullshit.
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:52 pm GMT
sander doesn't believe me that British shopkeepers were prosecuted for not selling goods in Metric, as the EUSSR wants us to. The evil workings of the Eu must be being kept hidden from the Continentals, but is plaing to see for us in Britain -



Metric Martyrs" lose Imperial battle

Five so-called "metric martyrs" have lost their legal battle to sell goods in pounds and ounces but vowed to fight on against what their spokesman described as "the death of democracy".

The five had challenged convictions for selling food in "old fashioned" imperial measures rather than the metric system used across Europe. Lord Justices John Laws and Peter Crane gave their decision at the High Court on Monday following a test case hearing last November aimed at saving shopkeepers from going metric.

Neil Herron, spokesman for the five, said the defeat highlighted "in no uncertain terms how a nation and its peoples had been betrayed by the political elite". The five were backed by high profile figures including former Conservative cabinet minister Lord Tebbit, singer Elaine Paige and actor Edward Fox -- who sat at the back of the court to hear the judgment.

At the November hearing, the five's lawyer Michael Shrimpton told the judges: "This is a test case of constitutional importance."

The five at the centre of the case were Steven Thoburn, John Dove, Julian Harman, Colin Hunt and Peter Collins, who have been prosecuted for selling things like bananas, mackerel, Brussels sprouts and pumpkins by the pound rather than the kilo.

The courts that convicted them took the view that the five were under a duty to use metric measures in line with European regulations. The five had claimed that the 1985 Weights and Measures Act entitled them to stick to pounds and ounces.

Reuters (London)

savethepint.com
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One of the "Metric Martyrs" died last year.
Sander   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:54 pm GMT
=>sander doesn't believe me that British shopkeepers were prosecuted for not selling goods in Metric<=

Sander doesn't care.

To measure the above mentioned quantities in the English Imperial system, all the following units can occur:

1Length: inch, foot, yard, mile, fathom, rod, furlong, league, mil, pole, perch, hand, link, chain
2Area: square inch, square foot, square yard, acre, square mile, township, square fathom, square rod, square furlong, square league, square mil, square pole, square perch, square hand, square link, square chain
3Volume: gallon, liquid quart, dry quart, liquid pint, dry pint, fluid ounce, teaspoon, tablespoon, minim, fluid dram, gill, peck, bushel, cubic inch, cubic foot, cubic yard, cubic fathom, cubic rod, cubic furlong, cubic mile, cubic league, cubic mil, cubic pole, cubic perch, cubic hand, cubic link, cubic chain
4Mass: pound, apoth. pound, ounce, apoth. ounce, dram, apoth. dram, grain, spoth. scruple, pennyweight, short hundredweight, long hundredweight, short ton, long ton
5Force: pound, ton
6Pressure: pounds per square inch, pounds per square foot, pounds per square yard, pounds per acre, pounds per square mile, pounds per township, pounds per square fathom, pounds per square rod, pounds per square furlong, pounds per square league, pounds per square mil, pounds per square pole, pounds per square perch, pounds per square hand, pounds per square link, pounds per square chain, tons per square inch, tons per square foot, tons per square yard, tons per acre, tons per square mile, tons per township, tons per square fathom, tons per square rod, tons per square furlong, tons per square league, tons per square mil, tons per square pole, tons per square perch, tons per square hand, tons per square link, tons per square chain
7Energy: calorie, inch-pound, foot-pound, yard-pound, mile-pound, fathom-pound, rod-pound, furlong-pound, league-pound, mil-pound, pole-pound, perch-pound, hand-pound, link-pound, chain-pound, inch-ton, foot-ton, yard-ton, mile-ton, fathom-ton, rod-ton, furlong-ton, league-ton, mil-ton, pole-ton, perch-ton, hand-ton, link-ton, chain-ton
8Power: horsepower, inch-pound per second, foot-pound per second, yard-pound per second, mile-pound per second, fathom-pound per second, rod-pound per second, furlong-pound per second, league-pound per second, mil-pound per second, pole-pound per second, perch-pound per second, hand-pound per second, link-pound per second, chain-pound per second, inch-ton per second, foot-ton per second, yard-ton per second, mile-ton per second, fathom-ton per second, rod-ton per second, furlong-ton per second, league-ton per second, mil-ton per second, pole-ton per second, perch-ton per second, hand-ton per second, link-ton per second, chain-ton per second
9Temperature: degrees Fahrenheit

To measure the same range of the same quantities in the metric system, only the following units can occur:

1Length: meter
2Area: square meter (are)
3Volume: cubic meter (liter)
4Mass: gram (metric ton)
5Force: newton
6Pressure: pascal
7Energy: joule
8Power: watt
9Temperature: kelvin (degrees Celsius)

"The metric system is simply a better system of units than imperial"

Is consistently based on decimal numbers. (metric)

It uses different number systems (base 3, 8, 12, 14 & 16). (imperial)


Works well with percentages Percentages difficult to work out
Able to deal with very large and very small quantities (using prefixes) (metric)

Small quantities handled with awkward fractions (imperial)

One sort of unit for weight :gram, kilogram, etc (metric)

Two systems of weight:avoirdupois pounds, ounces, etc
troy pounds, ounces, etc (imperial)

One system of volume:millilitre, litre, cubic metre (metric)


Two systems of volume: pints, quarts, gallons cubic inches, feet and yards (imperial)

Handles mechanical and electrical quantities (metric)

No electrical units. Mixing imperial mechanical units and metric electrical ones is messy (imperial)


Units are the same internationally (metric)

Some units differ between UK and US (imperial)

-different pints and gallons
-different tons
-different fluid and dry ounces

Simple calculations such as floor area, energy consumption and volumes are easy (metric)

Simple calculations such as floor area, energy consumption and volumes are needlessly complicated (imperial)
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:54 pm GMT
"To measure the above mentioned quantities in the English Imperial system, all the following units can occur: "

yeah? So? At least we don't have to learn terms such as "decillitre", "hectalitre" and things like this.

It's much easier for me to say "9 inches" than "220 millimetres".
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:56 pm GMT
And I don't seem why Damien is such a big fan of Metric.

Can he imagine going into a pub? Instead of saying "Can I have a pint of Guiness, please" he will have to say "Can have I have half a litre of Guinness, please?"

It doesn't sound right.
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:01 pm GMT
Why Imperial makes sense
Defenders of the imperial system of weights and measures hailed yesterday as a day of defiance against the influence of metrication.
British attachment to the romanticism of imperial measurements is so strong that politicians have urged shopkeepers to defy laws requiring the display of metric units.

The conflict between the two systems symbolises the political and philosophical divide between Britain and continental Europe. The imperial system, muddled and full of compromises, evolved out of a commonsense approach to finding whatever worked. The traditional measures are human-based - an inch is the width of a thumb, a foot is the length of a foot.

The metric system - first adopted in France in 1799, ten years after the Revolution - is the ultimate in rational measuring methods, the pinnacle of the Age of Enlightenment. Evolved from a mixture of Roman measures and units devised in the Middle Ages, it was designed to unify a mess of vastly different local units. It is based on units of ten, divisible by only two and five.

The French revolutionaries believed the imperial system was backward. A new one was needed to herald a new social order. When metrication faced resistance it was imposed with force by Napoleon's conquering armies. The philosopher Roger Scruton said: "The distinction is between solutions achieved through custom and compromise and those imposed by a plan. Muddled though the imperial measures may appear to those obsessed by mathematics, they are the product of life. In ordinary transactions, measurement proceeds by dividing and multiplying, not by adding. It makes sense to divide a gallon into a half, a quart and a pint, or to have 16 ounces to the pound."

Even Napoleon admitted in 1823: "Nothing is more contrary to the organisation of the mind, of the memory and of the imagination [than] the new system of weights and measures... It's just tormenting the people with trivia!"

Adam Sherwin (http://www.footrule.org/BWMA-GramScam.htm)
Sander   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:02 pm GMT
http://www.metric.org.uk/press/reasons.htm

"After all not all other countries switched to metric!"

Well, except for the rest of the world two third world countries haven't officially committed to the metric system: Liberia and Burma. But they already use metric units all over the place and are well on way leaving the sinking Imperial ship. So who's going to get wet?
Sander   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:04 pm GMT
To measure the above mentioned quantities in the English Imperial system, all the following units can occur:

1Length: inch, foot, yard, mile, fathom, rod, furlong, league, mil, pole, perch, hand, link, chain
2Area: square inch, square foot, square yard, acre, square mile, township, square fathom, square rod, square furlong, square league, square mil, square pole, square perch, square hand, square link, square chain
3Volume: gallon, liquid quart, dry quart, liquid pint, dry pint, fluid ounce, teaspoon, tablespoon, minim, fluid dram, gill, peck, bushel, cubic inch, cubic foot, cubic yard, cubic fathom, cubic rod, cubic furlong, cubic mile, cubic league, cubic mil, cubic pole, cubic perch, cubic hand, cubic link, cubic chain
4Mass: pound, apoth. pound, ounce, apoth. ounce, dram, apoth. dram, grain, spoth. scruple, pennyweight, short hundredweight, long hundredweight, short ton, long ton
5Force: pound, ton
6Pressure: pounds per square inch, pounds per square foot, pounds per square yard, pounds per acre, pounds per square mile, pounds per township, pounds per square fathom, pounds per square rod, pounds per square furlong, pounds per square league, pounds per square mil, pounds per square pole, pounds per square perch, pounds per square hand, pounds per square link, pounds per square chain, tons per square inch, tons per square foot, tons per square yard, tons per acre, tons per square mile, tons per township, tons per square fathom, tons per square rod, tons per square furlong, tons per square league, tons per square mil, tons per square pole, tons per square perch, tons per square hand, tons per square link, tons per square chain
7Energy: calorie, inch-pound, foot-pound, yard-pound, mile-pound, fathom-pound, rod-pound, furlong-pound, league-pound, mil-pound, pole-pound, perch-pound, hand-pound, link-pound, chain-pound, inch-ton, foot-ton, yard-ton, mile-ton, fathom-ton, rod-ton, furlong-ton, league-ton, mil-ton, pole-ton, perch-ton, hand-ton, link-ton, chain-ton
8Power: horsepower, inch-pound per second, foot-pound per second, yard-pound per second, mile-pound per second, fathom-pound per second, rod-pound per second, furlong-pound per second, league-pound per second, mil-pound per second, pole-pound per second, perch-pound per second, hand-pound per second, link-pound per second, chain-pound per second, inch-ton per second, foot-ton per second, yard-ton per second, mile-ton per second, fathom-ton per second, rod-ton per second, furlong-ton per second, league-ton per second, mil-ton per second, pole-ton per second, perch-ton per second, hand-ton per second, link-ton per second, chain-ton per second
9Temperature: degrees Fahrenheit

To measure the same range of the same quantities in the metric system, only the following units can occur:

1Length: meter
2Area: square meter (are)
3Volume: cubic meter (liter)
4Mass: gram (metric ton)
5Force: newton
6Pressure: pascal
7Energy: joule
8Power: watt
9Temperature: kelvin (degrees Celsius)

"The metric system is simply a better system of units than imperial"

Is consistently based on decimal numbers. (metric)

It uses different number systems (base 3, 8, 12, 14 & 16). (imperial)


Works well with percentages Percentages difficult to work out
Able to deal with very large and very small quantities (using prefixes) (metric)

Small quantities handled with awkward fractions (imperial)

One sort of unit for weight :gram, kilogram, etc (metric)

Two systems of weight:avoirdupois pounds, ounces, etc
troy pounds, ounces, etc (imperial)

One system of volume:millilitre, litre, cubic metre (metric)


Two systems of volume: pints, quarts, gallons cubic inches, feet and yards (imperial)

Handles mechanical and electrical quantities (metric)

No electrical units. Mixing imperial mechanical units and metric electrical ones is messy (imperial)


Units are the same internationally (metric)

Some units differ between UK and US (imperial)

-different pints and gallons
-different tons
-different fluid and dry ounces

Simple calculations such as floor area, energy consumption and volumes are easy (metric)

Simple calculations such as floor area, energy consumption and volumes are needlessly complicated (imperial)

http://www.metric4us.com/whynot.html

http://www.metric4us.com/why.html
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:09 pm GMT
Here's a funny true story.

NASA has traditionally used Imperial measurements, but when trying to land a craft on Mars in 1999 using Metric, the landing failed!



Metric Muddle on Mars

October 1999; it's official! Mars is no more compatible with metric measures than the earth is. The loss of the space probe to Mars was caused by "a major blunder" in the lack of co-ordination between the various contractors working for NASA, some of whom are using the traditional units of measurements and some of whom are attempting to convert to metric.

The question that must be asked is, why change to metric at all when NASA has been so phenomenally successful over the past forty years or so?

Does the use of Imperial measures present some sort impediment to the future of space exploration?

Has the use of Imperial measurements been a handicap up to now?

The Moon landings and the development of the Space Shuttle among other things would suggest not, so what is this insurmountable difficulty in using Imperial which can only be overcome by changing to the use of metric? The answer is that there is no difficulty; NASA's record speaks for itself and changing to metric would bring no discernible benefits but would definitely be very costly, as we have now seen. As that well known saying has it "if it ain't broke don't fix it!"

The change would appear to have more to do with bureaucratic vanity than with sound science. This view is confirmed by the comments of Lorelle Young, president of the U.S. Metric Association, who said the loss of Climate Orbiter brings up the "untenable" position of the United States in relation to most other countries, which rely on the metric system for measurement. In other words the US should conform regardless of whether it is a good idea or not and regardless of whether it is beneficial or not, which it clearly wasn't in this case.

Britain's foremost astronomer, Dr. Patrick Moore, described the loss as an awful blunder "It just shows the dangers of creeping metrication." He urged the continued use of Imperial measurements which have served NASA so well in the past.
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:12 pm GMT
Sports Report

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During the recent Rugby World Cup, the Director of the BWMA referred to the "10 yard line", the "25 yard line", etc. in conversation with a South African supporter, who interrupted with "No, no, you mean metres - we're all metric now!" Whereupon the Director asked: "What do you call your player in the no. 9 position?" and the Springbok had to answer, "Scrum half, of course!" to which the rejoinder was "No, no, you mean scrum 0.5 - we're all metric now! And what about your nos. 11 and 14?"
"Wing three-quarters, of Course" to which again the counter was "No, no, you mean wing 0.75 - we're all metric now!"
What use are decimals when the human mind prefers fractions, using factors that tie in with customary measures?
* * *

During the 2nd January football match between Rangers and Celtic in Glasgow, there was a free kick just outside the penalty area and the BBC radio commentator Roddy Forsyth, declared that the referee was having trouble ensuring that the defending players were "the full ten metres from the ball" before allowing the attacking side to take the free kick.
"Oh!", thought I, "they must have changed the rules". Surprise, surprise; when I checked I found that there had been no such change in the rules of the game and that it still says "opposing players must be ten yards from the ball" at free kicks, corners etc.
So, Mr. Forsyth, if you wish to be all trendy and up to date and yet still give an accurate radio picture of what is happening, then you must say "the full 9.12 metres from the ball!"
* * *

We all know that the International Olympic Committee has been using metric units for years.
But, does anybody know why they still organise races over one furlong(200metres), the quarter mile(400metres) and the half mile(800metres)?
Why are they not running metric races like 250metres or 500metres?
Sander   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:15 pm GMT
To measure the above mentioned quantities in the English Imperial system, all the following units can occur:

1Length: inch, foot, yard, mile, fathom, rod, furlong, league, mil, pole, perch, hand, link, chain
2Area: square inch, square foot, square yard, acre, square mile, township, square fathom, square rod, square furlong, square league, square mil, square pole, square perch, square hand, square link, square chain
3Volume: gallon, liquid quart, dry quart, liquid pint, dry pint, fluid ounce, teaspoon, tablespoon, minim, fluid dram, gill, peck, bushel, cubic inch, cubic foot, cubic yard, cubic fathom, cubic rod, cubic furlong, cubic mile, cubic league, cubic mil, cubic pole, cubic perch, cubic hand, cubic link, cubic chain
4Mass: pound, apoth. pound, ounce, apoth. ounce, dram, apoth. dram, grain, spoth. scruple, pennyweight, short hundredweight, long hundredweight, short ton, long ton
5Force: pound, ton
6Pressure: pounds per square inch, pounds per square foot, pounds per square yard, pounds per acre, pounds per square mile, pounds per township, pounds per square fathom, pounds per square rod, pounds per square furlong, pounds per square league, pounds per square mil, pounds per square pole, pounds per square perch, pounds per square hand, pounds per square link, pounds per square chain, tons per square inch, tons per square foot, tons per square yard, tons per acre, tons per square mile, tons per township, tons per square fathom, tons per square rod, tons per square furlong, tons per square league, tons per square mil, tons per square pole, tons per square perch, tons per square hand, tons per square link, tons per square chain
7Energy: calorie, inch-pound, foot-pound, yard-pound, mile-pound, fathom-pound, rod-pound, furlong-pound, league-pound, mil-pound, pole-pound, perch-pound, hand-pound, link-pound, chain-pound, inch-ton, foot-ton, yard-ton, mile-ton, fathom-ton, rod-ton, furlong-ton, league-ton, mil-ton, pole-ton, perch-ton, hand-ton, link-ton, chain-ton
8Power: horsepower, inch-pound per second, foot-pound per second, yard-pound per second, mile-pound per second, fathom-pound per second, rod-pound per second, furlong-pound per second, league-pound per second, mil-pound per second, pole-pound per second, perch-pound per second, hand-pound per second, link-pound per second, chain-pound per second, inch-ton per second, foot-ton per second, yard-ton per second, mile-ton per second, fathom-ton per second, rod-ton per second, furlong-ton per second, league-ton per second, mil-ton per second, pole-ton per second, perch-ton per second, hand-ton per second, link-ton per second, chain-ton per second
9Temperature: degrees Fahrenheit

To measure the same range of the same quantities in the metric system, only the following units can occur:

1Length: meter
2Area: square meter (are)
3Volume: cubic meter (liter)
4Mass: gram (metric ton)
5Force: newton
6Pressure: pascal
7Energy: joule
8Power: watt
9Temperature: kelvin (degrees Celsius)

"The metric system is simply a better system of units than imperial"

Is consistently based on decimal numbers. (metric)

It uses different number systems (base 3, 8, 12, 14 & 16). (imperial)


Works well with percentages Percentages difficult to work out
Able to deal with very large and very small quantities (using prefixes) (metric)

Small quantities handled with awkward fractions (imperial)

One sort of unit for weight :gram, kilogram, etc (metric)

Two systems of weight:avoirdupois pounds, ounces, etc
troy pounds, ounces, etc (imperial)

One system of volume:millilitre, litre, cubic metre (metric)


Two systems of volume: pints, quarts, gallons cubic inches, feet and yards (imperial)

Handles mechanical and electrical quantities (metric)

No electrical units. Mixing imperial mechanical units and metric electrical ones is messy (imperial)


Units are the same internationally (metric)

Some units differ between UK and US (imperial)

-different pints and gallons
-different tons
-different fluid and dry ounces

Simple calculations such as floor area, energy consumption and volumes are easy (metric)

Simple calculations such as floor area, energy consumption and volumes are needlessly complicated (imperial)

http://www.metric4us.com/whynot.html

http://www.metric4us.com/why.html
Adam   Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:16 pm GMT
And, as Sander has been reminding us, British measurements have trendy names -





acres, bushels, chains, chalders, chaldrons, crowns, customary measures, drachms, drams, farthings, fathoms, feet, florins, foolscap, furlongs, gallons, gills, grains, groats, guineas, hundredweights, lasts, leagues, miles, minims, nails, ounces, pecks, pennyweights, pints, poles, perchs, pounds, quarts, quarters, rods, roods, sacks, scruples, stones, tods, tons, troy ounces, wire gauges, weys and yard


I prefer them than plain "millimetres, kilometres, decalitres, hectalitres"