Best way to Learn British English?

Uriel   Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:48 pm GMT
Uriel is a username, and not my real one. It's Hebrew and means "Fire of God" and the reason I picked it is an inside joke.

Why do you think I look German in my picture? I'm half Portuguese.

I don't speak German or Dutch, but they look different enough that I can tell the difference by sight.
Rolls   Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:52 pm GMT
I have seen many people that are German and I use that as a benchmark to tell what other German people look like, apparently it is not a good method, but you to me resembled a German look...

I don't know...lol

Why do they call Germany - Deutchland and then have a seperate Dutch region? Is it the same?
Rolls - Ariel Name Creato   Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:54 pm GMT
I think I got the joke...maybe not.
Ariel   Wed Sep 21, 2005 5:59 pm GMT
The Little Mermaid was such a great film, although I found it did not show the cultural differences between the characters properly and the dialect was a bit off.
Uriel   Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:01 pm GMT
It relates tangentially to my real name. I find when I register on a lot of sites that my real name is often already taken (bastards!), but "Uriel" is rare enough to be mine, all mine....so I just got into the habit of using it instead, and now it has stuck.

I don't know if Deutsch and "Dutch" have the same etymology or not. I know that the US term "Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually a corruption of "Pennsylvania Deutsch" and the people so called are actually of German descent, not Dutch.

Germany and the Netherlands are definitely separate nations. just ask Sander -- no, don't ... we don't want to go there....!
Uriel   Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:13 pm GMT
I couldn't get through the film myself -- I was okay with the crab, but once all the fish started singing, I was out of there.
Rolls   Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:44 pm GMT
Cmon Uriel! Your telling me you didn't like the chef and the singing bits! Fish singing is a learned trait...

You should get the Directors Cut

The Starfish have a sword-fight with the Seagulls...
Rolls   Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:47 pm GMT
"just ask Sander -- no, don't ... we don't want to go there....!"

Why did Adam rile him up about that before?
Uriel   Wed Sep 21, 2005 6:55 pm GMT
Adam doesn't play favorites -- he riles up everyone! Just recently he took on the entire nation of Australia.
Guest   Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:00 pm GMT
Wow
Travis   Wed Sep 21, 2005 7:55 pm GMT
>>I don't know if Deutsch and "Dutch" have the same etymology or not. I know that the US term "Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually a corruption of "Pennsylvania Deutsch" and the people so called are actually of German descent, not Dutch. <<

Yes, English "Dutch" is cognate to German "Deutsch", Low Saxon "Düütsch", and Dutch "duits" and "diets". Historically it was used to refer to practically all non-Anglo-Frisian West Germanic-speaking peoples, but since then in English it has been narrowed to refer to just Nederlands-speaking and West Flemish-speaking peoples. More recently, the use of the term "diets" in Dutch to refer to Dutch has fallen out of fashion, due to its use by National Socialists, both Dutch and German, to refer to Dutch; "duits" seems to have more specifically referred to German alone in most cases to start with, unlike "diets", if I recall correct.
Sander   Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:05 pm GMT
For all the uneducated people around here:

http://www.kahunna.net/europe/map_germany.jpg

As you can see the Netherlands is and has been a country of it's own for more than 420 years.We were a country 350 years before Germany.

Dutch, originally meant , like Travis said,used to refer to practically all non-Anglo-Frisian West Germanic-speaking peoples, but then led to be the term for the people of the Netherlands and their language.

It's decended from 'deutsch/diets/duits'.

'Diets' is still in use, and it is a word to refer to people who have Dutch as their mother tongue,this however doesnt mean they live in the Netherlands.


Note to Travis,

You tried it again didn't you? :-) "and West Flemish-speaking peoples." the thread on langcafe is still there, waiting for the proof instead of false comments.
Rolls   Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:12 pm GMT
So you could be in Austria and have Dutch as your mother tongue?
Travis   Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:15 pm GMT
Actually, I meant to say "Nederlands" when I'd said "Netherlands" above, as I was trying to refer to the Dutch language without using the word "Dutch".
Sander   Wed Sep 21, 2005 8:16 pm GMT
=>So you could be in Austria and have Dutch as your mother tongue? <=

Yes that's possible.