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@LAA
No offence, but...
Romanians are not descendants of Romans as we know them now.
Of course it was Roman civilisation who imposed their way of living and standards. But the Roman colonists which got land in Dacia were from all over the world... they were mostly tough veterans who served the Roman army for more than 20 years. Dacian Empire was the last big kingdom conquered by Romans and the Roman territory was at its maximum size at that time.
Romans, tired to pay tribute to the Dacians after they lost the first war, 20 years before, had to get all the resources and army needed... The legions came from Siria, Iberia, Dalmatia and from many other regions.
You're also, forgetting about the huge local Dacian genetical line which was bigger than all the Southern Slavs put together... Also, you're ignoring 1000 years of Barbarian migrations on actual Romanian lands, you're ignoring Dacian, Gothic, Gepid, Bulgarian (Slavic and Non-Slavic), Sarmatian and other ancient kingdoms which affected the ethnical composition.
Anyway, genetical theories are rather obsolete, epecially in Balcan region, where people and cultures are mixed up much more than you can imagine.
Of course, you'll find Slavic genetical line in Romanians, but that's not the point.
And btw, even the initial Slavic name <Vlach> or the Turkic (don't mix it up with Turkish) one, <Ruman> means "of Roman origin".
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Le rapport avec les langues néolatines ?
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LAA,
Your question has nothing to do with language.
If you want some clue I found this :
http://www.3dweave.com/plugins/business_graph/exemples/rendus/taille_europe.jpg
But we don't know the sources.
As a European, for what I saw there is not a big difference of height among Europeans. As a European, for What I saw, Scandinavians and Dutch are generally quite above the average. A lot of Germans too, and in a lesser extend British.
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But lt's put away the stereotypes;
If you think that northern Europeans are always taller than southern Europeans, you could watch this article : croatians from dalmatia (mediterranean region) are among the taller Europeans !
http://www.europeplusnet.info/article353.html
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Why is it a sterotype? It's true that some national groups are taller on average than others. We have different genes. There's nothing wrong with that.
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One thing that continues to fascinate me is how, formerly short populations are now nearly as tall as traditionally tall populations. In places like Japan, kids of my generation are 6 inches taller than their grandfathers. I don't know what explains this dramatic increase in height in two generations in populations that were historically, for all of history, very short.
But Fab, wouldn't you say its true that at least among the older generations, Italians and Spaniards are shorter than Danes and Dutchmen? How tall would you say the average Spaniard or Italian is? And what about the average for men from where you live? It was Nice wasn't it?
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the average Frenchman is about 1,75m, the french woman about 1,62m
These number are similar in Spain and Italy.
" One thing that continues to fascinate me is how, formerly short populations are now nearly as tall as traditionally tall populations "
What you don't understand is that not everything is linked with genetics, especially height, even if it can be a greater predisposition to become tall. Most scientist think that food, regime and way of life are at the origin of most of the height differences, and genetics at second place.
When I see my grand parents, they were really much smaller than my generation. I'm myself quite small (1,70m), by my grandfather was about 1,60 only which is very small for a man. a lot of ederly women in France are between 1,50 and 1,55 only, while young aldut women may be around 1,60/1,65
When I spoke of stereotypes it was about people of Dalmatia. Most people would assume due to the mediterranean stereotype of smaller people taht they would be small while they are the tallest Europeans, ahead Scandinavia !...
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What's really interesting, and very unique about northern Europeans is their biological production of the lactase enzyme. The vast majority of the world's population is lactose intolerant, with Native Americans and East Asians being the most lactose intolerant populations in the world. It is no conincedence that the tradition of drinking milk is non-existent in these cultures. About 85% of southern Europeans are lactose intolerant as well. The only people who seem to possess the gene for digestion of the milk sugar lactose, are northern Europeans, where 90% of northern Europeans are able to digest lactose. Everyone is born with the ability to digest lactose, which is necessary for benefiting from vital mother's milk. But, the production of the enzyme needed to break down lactose stops in most humans around the age of five. Many cultures around the world used to, and still do, breastfeed their children until the age of five. Northern Europeans however, have managed to develop a gene which allows them to produce that lactase enzyme all the way through adulthood. As long as milk is digestable, it is an excellent, plentiful source of calcium and protein, both of which are essential for growth. Perhaps this is part of what has given NE a height advantage over others. Interestingly, my family matches the stats. My mother's side, who are of Spanish origin, are nearly all lactose intolerant. My father's side, who are of Welsh/English origin, are all lactose tolerant. The good thing about it is, this northern european gene is usually passed down to children of mixed ancestry, so long as one parent carries the gene, because it is dominant. And as far as the height issue is concerned with regard to my family, it is tough to say. My family grew up on a Mexican diet, and lived in a North American physical environment, but there are short people in my family, and there are also those who are over six feet, or over 180 cm. My tallest uncle is 6'4. The average height in my family for men is 5'10.
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What's really interesting, and very unique about northern Europeans is their biological production of the lactase enzyme. The vast majority of the world's population is lactose intolerant, with Native Americans and East Asians being the most lactose intolerant populations in the world. It is no conincedence that the tradition of drinking milk is non-existent in these cultures. About 85% of southern Europeans are lactose intolerant as well. The only people who seem to possess the gene for digestion of the milk sugar lactose, are northern Europeans, where 90% of northern Europeans are able to digest lactose. Everyone is born with the ability to digest lactose, which is necessary for benefiting from vital mother's milk. But, the production of the enzyme needed to break down lactose stops in most humans around the age of five. Many cultures around the world used to, and still do, breastfeed their children until the age of five. Northern Europeans however, have managed to develop a gene which allows them to produce that lactase enzyme all the way through adulthood. As long as milk is digestable, it is an excellent, plentiful source of calcium and protein, both of which are essential for growth. Perhaps this is part of what has given NE a height advantage over others. Interestingly, my family matches the stats. My mother's side, who are of Spanish origin, are nearly all lactose intolerant. My father's side, who are of Welsh/English origin, are all lactose tolerant. The good thing about it is, this northern european gene is usually passed down to children of mixed ancestry, so long as one parent carries the gene, because it is dominant. And as far as the height issue is concerned with regard to my family, it is tough to say. My family grew up on a Mexican diet, and lived in a North American physical environment, but there are short people in my family, and there are also those who are over six feet, or over 180 cm. My tallest uncle is 6'4. The average height in my family for men is 5'10.
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I don't know for northern Europe, but I saw that in the USA, drinking milk, as an adult, is a common thing. In France, after 3 years, milk is generally consumed only in Cheeses and Yaourts. An adult that would drink milk would seem very strange.
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LAA : « One thing that continues to fascinate me is how, formerly short populations are now nearly as tall as traditionally tall populations. »
LAA : « What's really interesting, and very unique about northern Europeans is their biological production of the lactase enzyme. »
On est très heureux pour toi mais ceci est un site ***LINGUISTIQUE***.
Brennus : merci d'intervenir. Le sujet porte sur les ***LANGUES*** néolatines.
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"The good thing about it is, this northern european gene is usually passed down to children of mixed ancestry, so long as one parent carries the gene, because it is dominant. And as far as the height issue is concerned with regard to my family"
This is so true because I inherited the hight of my grandfather (of northern european decent. I am 179cm and my brother is 175cm. Both of my parents are around 162cm (the gene must of skipped a generation). Though many of the guys on the brazilian side are tall too.
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